Ben H Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Just got back from the house and writing the report. Noticed a good amount of rust and corrorsion around the PVC condensate line. The unit was sealed up and I could not see anything other than what I took a pic of. What could cause this? I couldn't find ANY info on the furnace other than it's a LP unit. I guess when they finished the basement, the data tag was on the side of the finished wall and they covered it up. I also caught a VERY light hint of propane a couple of times when the unit was not running. Click to Enlarge 33.72 KB Click to Enlarge 41.46 KB
Terence McCann Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Looks like it just has a minor condensate leak when the A/C is running. No biggie. Five minutes and five bucks. Was the condensate line trapped at all?
Ben H Posted February 19, 2010 Author Report Posted February 19, 2010 Well I should have taken a pic further away[:-headach As soon as it clears the unit, it makes a 90 to the floor. I really couldn't see much after that. Too much chit in the room.
Bain Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Well, but look at the anhydrous salts beneath the liquid line and the verdigris around the condensate drain. My bet is that there's missing insulation on the suction line above the liquid line, and that's where the water's coming from. Three minutes and two bits . . . if you don't have to buy a whole roll of Armaflex. I write this up on about 80% of the systems I see.
Terence McCann Posted February 19, 2010 Report Posted February 19, 2010 Well, but look at the anhydrous salts beneath the liquid line and the verdigris around the condensate drain. My bet is that there's missing insulation on the suction line above the liquid line, and that's where the water's coming from. Three minutes and two bits . . . if you don't have to buy a whole roll of Armaflex. I write this up on about 80% of the systems I see. True, it has staining on top of the 3/4" female.
Marc Posted February 20, 2010 Report Posted February 20, 2010 John, why would a Patini form on PVC pipe and where do you see the anhydrous salts? Just curious. Marc
plummen Posted February 20, 2010 Report Posted February 20, 2010 the green corosion on the pvc is from water dripping down front of plenum getting trapped where the pvc and coil meet.
Bain Posted February 20, 2010 Report Posted February 20, 2010 John, why would a Patini form on PVC pipe and where do you see the anhydrous salts? Just curious. Marc The green patina originates--typically--from the copper suction line, the same way it forms on a leaking plumbing pipe. As for the salts, look on the front of the evaporator coil. The white trails were caused by dripping water.
Ben H Posted February 20, 2010 Author Report Posted February 20, 2010 You guys have got my brain going now. I'm going to go back today and take few more pics. I'll post them later. I wish I could see in behind the condnesate line, but the panel is sealed up tight with hvac tape...
Marc Posted February 20, 2010 Report Posted February 20, 2010 The green patina originates--typically--from the copper suction line, the same way it forms on a leaking plumbing pipe. As for the salts, look on the front of the evaporator coil. The white trails were caused by dripping water. Dang! You're good with pictures. Marc
Ben H Posted February 20, 2010 Author Report Posted February 20, 2010 OK, here are a few more photos. Click to Enlarge 92.9 KB Click to Enlarge 47.8 KB Click to Enlarge 52.5 KB
Tom Raymond Posted February 22, 2010 Report Posted February 22, 2010 That humidifier isn't helping things any! Tom
Ben H Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Posted February 22, 2010 That humidifier isn't helping things any! Tom No Kidding![:-eyebrow
Terence McCann Posted February 22, 2010 Report Posted February 22, 2010 A few things from your picture: The additional hole should be plugged/capped. Just a waste of a/c. The liquid line is tight up against the sheet metal plenum which will be a sure leaker down the road. Also, it looks like the water leak is coming from around where this liquid line enters/in addition to where the cap is missing (dripping down to the liquid line). Also - when you're checking these systems out make sure the condensate line is trapped on a blow through system (positive pressure in the evaporator section which that system is). The condensate will still drain OK with out a trap however with out a liquid seal the system will just keep blowing conditioned air down the drain = waste of money. Click to Enlarge 54.74 KB
Marc Posted February 22, 2010 Report Posted February 22, 2010 Also, it looks like the water leak was coming from around where this liquid line enters - perhaps low on charge? If I understand you correctly Terry, you're suggesting that the liquid refrigerant within the liquid line is expanding into a gas prior to arrival at the system's expansion device and is making the liquid line cold enough to form condensation. Is this correct? Marc
Terence McCann Posted February 22, 2010 Report Posted February 22, 2010 Also, it looks like the water leak was coming from around where this liquid line enters - perhaps low on charge? If I understand you correctly Terry, you're suggesting that the liquid refrigerant within the liquid line is expanding into a gas prior to arrival at the system's expansion device and is making the liquid line cold enough to form condensation. Is this correct? Marc I had that originally, as it looks like water is also coming out from where the liquid line enters, however after looking at the picture some more it would appear to be coming mostly from the knockout. To answer your question though Marc yes, that is what I was driving at. When a unit is low on charge the liquid line will sweat, or frost, and that is the place where it will show up first (end of the line sort of thing).
plummen Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 news to me,normally if the system gets down to around 30 psi or so on suction or low side it will ice up,lack of airflow will also cause this
Marc Posted February 23, 2010 Report Posted February 23, 2010 news to me,normally if the system gets down to around 30 psi or so on suction or low side it will ice up,lack of airflow will also cause this 30 psi? More like 55 psi for refrigerant R-22 and 100 psi for refrigerant 410 A. Marc
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