Terence McCann Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 It all has to deal with dew point and temperatures. A can of soda may sweat when taken out of a refrigerator in a ambient of 75 F and 70 % RH, as in the summer, but if you take the same can of soda out of the refrigerator in a 75F ambient with 5% RH, as in the winter, it won't sweat. The surrounding air drinks the moisture.
energy star Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 Originally posted by Terence McCann It all has to deal with dew point and temperatures. A can of soda may sweat when taken out of a refrigerator in a ambient of 75 F and 70 % RH, as in the summer, but if you take the same can of soda out of the refrigerator in a 75F ambient with 5% RH, as in the winter, it won't sweat. The surrounding air drinks the moisture. I understand all that. But the fact is, the pipe is dripping.
energy star Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 Wish I could see the manual. -4°F Current: Mostly Cloudy Wind: N at 3 mph Humidity: 69% Current Conditions in Regina -6°F / -21°C Feels like *°F / *°C Wind: NW at 3 mph / 5 kh Humidity: 66% Pressure: 29.76 inches / 1008 mb Sunrise: 8:58 AM Sunset: 5:13 PM Conditions updated at Wed, 07 Jan 2009 7:00 pm CST This is the weather right there, right now.
Terence McCann Posted January 8, 2009 Report Posted January 8, 2009 Iââ¬â¢ve found and uploaded the installation manual for a York High Efficiency furnace. You can search the files library for this file (as soon as it is approved). In reading the documentation Iââ¬â¢ve found these areas that deal with insulating combustion air and venting/exhaust piping. When combustion air pipe is installed above a suspended ceiling or when it passes through a warm and humid space, the pipe must be insulated with 1/2ââ¬
bay_dragon Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Posted January 9, 2009 My furnace guy came the other day and changed the outside piping to what you see in the attached picture. It seems awfully clumsy to me. I've given up on this dude and will probably replace this setup with an actual termination kit as was mentioned previously.
bay_dragon Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Posted January 9, 2009 He also has NOT insulated any pipes in the basement. Again I suppose it is up to me. I thought this one portion of my renovation was NOT going to be a DIY but I guess not!
Bill Kibbel Posted January 9, 2009 Report Posted January 9, 2009 The combustion air and vent pipe terminations shouldn't be located where they can be affected by wind, blowing snow & leaves or allow reentry of flue gases. That pic shows that the combustion air and vent pipes terminate: < 36" from the dryer vent < 10' from the fresh air inlet, if powered < 12" above anticipated snow depth There's probably a whole lot more wrong with that installation that isn't shown in the pic.
energy star Posted January 9, 2009 Report Posted January 9, 2009 Intake is to low. Is this not like one of the latest greatest furnaces being marketed right now? With that said, that picture is no competent display of craftsmanship. I bet you payed big money for that new furnace. I'd be on the phone to him, York and everyone else. I love how close the fresh air intake is to the furnace exhaust. If you emailed that pic to York, I bet you would get a call within two hours, and that dealer would put his York dealer ship on the line. You deserve better. Get help and stop payment on the check or better yet maybe you paid with cc, Cedit card company will get the funds back and hold them.
energy star Posted January 9, 2009 Report Posted January 9, 2009 The 90 on the exhaust is not even new, you can see the old pipe inside that must have been a mistake from another job. Post a pic of the new furnace installed. We may be able to comment and help you on that. Is this a townhouse or condo? Post the installation instructions. 10 to 1 that the flap is wrong in the fresh air intake (far right) that looks like a dryer vent. The damper must work opposite of a dryer vent or least be pulled out.
bay_dragon Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Posted January 9, 2009 Originally posted by energy star The 90 on the exhaust is not even new, you can see the old pipe inside that must have been a mistake from another job. Post a pic of the new furnace installed. We may be able to comment and help you on that. Is this a townhouse or condo? Post the installation instructions. Yes this is the latest and greatest model. the 90 on the exhaust is left over from the crapola job he did with the first installation! This is a single family house. I will take more pictures of the entire installation and post them.
Terence McCann Posted January 9, 2009 Report Posted January 9, 2009 Originally posted by bay_dragon Yes this is the latest and greatest model. the 90 on the exhaust is left over from the crapolaid="blue"> job he did with the first installation! This is a single family house. I will take more pictures of the entire installation and post them. I love that word -use it all the time.
bay_dragon Posted January 9, 2009 Author Report Posted January 9, 2009 Originally posted by inspecthistoric The combustion air and vent pipe terminations shouldn't be located where they can be affected by wind, blowing snow & leaves or allow reentry of flue gases. That pic shows that the combustion air and vent pipes terminate: < 36" from the dryer vent < 10' from the fresh air inlet, if powered < 12" above anticipated snow depth There's probably a whole lot more wrong with that installation that isn't shown in the pic. Are those the minimum specifications you quoted above? If so this installation is a no go no matter what the pipe configuration. There is another hole available to the far right in the picture. It is from an old dryer installation no longer used. It was my first suggestion to the installer as the hole was there already. Seems he may have chosen the worst possible location to knock a new hole in my wall. [:-censore
bay_dragon Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Posted January 10, 2009 Here are the pictures of the installation. I hope I do this right!
energy star Posted January 10, 2009 Report Posted January 10, 2009 Its not the end of the world, but much is not up to par. I'm sure many will chime in. First off I would have a gas valve installed by the unit. Was the lead mechanic under 23-25 yrs old?
bay_dragon Posted January 10, 2009 Author Report Posted January 10, 2009 Originally posted by energy star Its not the end of the world, but much is not up to par. I'm sure many will chime in. First off I would have a gas valve installed by the unit. Was the lead mechanic under 23-25 yrs old? Hard to say. Maybe around 25? Why?
energy star Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 I just knew the installer was young, and wanted to ask to see if I was correct. Thats all.
Neal Lewis Posted January 11, 2009 Report Posted January 11, 2009 Since the gas water heater is vented into a chimney flue that is now oversized, you may have an issue with drafting.
bay_dragon Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Posted January 12, 2009 Originally posted by Neal Lewis Since the gas water heater is vented into a chimney flue that is now oversized, you may have an issue with drafting. The chimney had a new liner put in when the furnace was installed. I don't think it is a problem.
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