Steven Hockstein Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 I have been taught that there needs to be a separate outlet for each basin. Today a licensed electrician told me that it is OK to share an outlet between basins. Can an electrical expert please assist me with an expert opinion on this. (NEC 210.52 ?). Click to Enlarge 23.75?KB
John Dirks Jr Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 I am not an expert but the central location between the two basins is an important part of the equation.
Marc Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 210.52(D): Within 3' of the outside edge of each basin. If they are within 6' of each other, one receptacle can meet that requirement. That's how I read it. Marc
Steven Hockstein Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 210.52(D): Within 3' of the outside edge of each basin. If they are within 6' of each other, one receptacle can meet that requirement. That's how I read it. Marc That is also what it seemst to me but now I am wondering why most of the local electrical inspectors are requiring a separate outlet for each basin, not one shared in the middle. I was thinking there may be something else I am mssing in the code.
Marc Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Jersey has adopted the 2011 version of the NEC. My version is the 2008. Maybe there's been a change since then. Marc
Richard Moore Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Jersey has adopted the 2011 version of the NEC. My version is the 2008. Maybe there's been a change since then. Marc Nah, the relevant line remains the same in 2008 and 2011... (D) Bathrooms. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed in bathrooms within 900 mm (3 ft) of the outside edge of each basin. I also read that as one being OK as long as it is within 3' of both sinks. I can see some interpreting that as one per basin but, if that was the intent, it would have been simple enough to use the words "per" or "for" somewhere in order to state it clearly. Having said that, it does seem a bit El Cheapo to only have the one in Steven's photo, but that's builders for you. Marble counters sell houses, receptacles don't.
Jim Katen Posted October 9, 2012 Report Posted October 9, 2012 . . . Having said that, it does seem a bit El Cheapo to only have the one in Steven's photo, but that's builders for you. Marble counters sell houses, receptacles don't. Oh yeah? Check out the photos from last week's new construction inspection. The wife didn't like the fact that she'd have to share one duplex receptacle with her husband and insisted on her own quad at the other end of the vanity. The builder said, "yes, ma'am." My impression is that's what everyone says to her. Click to Enlarge 42.6?KB Click to Enlarge 36.97?KB
Marc Posted October 9, 2012 Report Posted October 9, 2012 What a mess. Builder must have been angry. Put in a tight new duplex and the first time a plug is pulled, the box and both duplex will all come out. Marc
Jeff Remas Posted October 11, 2012 Report Posted October 11, 2012 210.52(D): Within 3' of the outside edge of each basin. If they are within 6' of each other, one receptacle can meet that requirement. That's how I read it. Marc Bingo
mlparham Posted October 12, 2012 Report Posted October 12, 2012 I believe each vanity should have its own 20 amp circuit with quad receptacles. If the master bath is built over a garage (as is common here) there should be a separate 20 amp circuit for a space heater because it will be needed. Any closet that is large enough to accommodate an ironing board should have a 20 amp dedicated circuit. This is not what I always report; it is just what I believe based on experience. Thanks to every one for letting me get this off my chest.
John Kogel Posted October 12, 2012 Report Posted October 12, 2012 I believe each vanity should have its own 20 amp circuit with quad receptacles. If the master bath is built over a garage (as is common here) there should be a separate 20 amp circuit for a space heater because it will be needed. Any closet that is large enough to accommodate an ironing board should have a 20 amp dedicated circuit. This is not what I always report; it is just what I believe based on experience. Thanks to every one for letting me get this off my chest. I believe a baseboard heater or a wall mounted fan heater would be even better than a plugged-in space heater. In my area, which is cold and wet, we expect to see a heat source in a bathroom. With the gizmos and air fresheners people use in their bathrooms, I think you're right. One duplex receptacle won't be enough as a rule. Morgan, check the spelling in your tagline, you're missing the 'n' in 'Engineering'.
mlparham Posted October 12, 2012 Report Posted October 12, 2012 I believe each vanity should have its own 20 amp circuit with quad receptacles. If the master bath is built over a garage (as is common here) there should be a separate 20 amp circuit for a space heater because it will be needed. Any closet that is large enough to accommodate an ironing board should have a 20 amp dedicated circuit. This is not what I always report; it is just what I believe based on experience. Thanks to every one for letting me get this off my chest. I believe a baseboard heater or a wall mounted fan heater would be even better than a plugged-in space heater. In my area, which is cold and wet, we expect to see a heat source in a bathroom. With the gizmos and air fresheners people use in their bathrooms, I think you're right. One duplex receptacle won't be enough as a rule. Morgan, check the spelling in your tagline, you're missing the 'n' in 'Engineering'. Thaks Joh.
Jack Davenport Posted October 12, 2012 Report Posted October 12, 2012 What a mess. Builder must have been angry. Put in a tight new duplex and the first time a plug is pulled, the box and both duplex will all come out. Marc The contractor used to correct type of box for the outlet. That's a remodel/old work box. It has wings that turn and tighten against the back back side of the wall. The silver screws in the 2 corners of the box - as you tighten them the wings rotate to the right and stop at a 90 degree angle to the box. Trust me if that box pulls out there will be a huge hole in the wall The hole that was cut in the wall was cut to the correct size. The mess is where the tile was removed
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