Norm

Thought I was done? Wrong. Dr. Joe's comments regarding ventilated attics can be found at http:www.buildingscience.com Search for #10 of Joes top 10 list of dumb things to do in the south. NORM SAGE

Looks like Icynene to me. Traditional thinking has always been "the more attic ventilation the better". This concept is consistent with "let's design and build all houses the same without regard to the climate in which they have to function". Recent thinking among building scientists, Dr. Joe included, seems to be shifting to designing homes with sealed, or closed, attics in hot humid climates. Makes sense to me. Why would you want to ventilate an attic in a home here in S. Florida with moisture laden air? The outdoor RH down here in the summer is often well into the 90% range. These high levels are even more consistent where high end homes are built on waterfront lots. OK let's look at what we are doing when we ventilate an attic in such a climate. Moisture migrates from areas of high moisture to areas of lower moisture. Outside to inside. We fill the attic with wet air, the A/C cools the conditioned and sometimes the attic side of the ceiling drywall to below the dewpoint. Vapor in the attic air becomes a solid (water) and condenses on the sheetrock, recessed light fixtures, smoke alarms, A/C supply and return diffusers and any other ceiling perforation. Eventually mold forms on the building components. It's a constant self propagating cycle. Recently I inspected a multi-million dollar home on the intracoastal waterway. The owners complained of a strong mildew odor in the home. The thermostats for all four central A/Cs were set for 70 degrees in the cooling cycle. One of the attic accesses was located in the master bedroom walk-in closet. Mirrored bifold doors were installed at the closet entry and there was a dresser with a mirror in the closet. As soon as I opened the attic hatch the glass surfaces fogged over as the wet air in the attic moved to a location of lower humidity, the conditioned area of the home below. I suggested the owners retain a mechanical engineer in order to explore retrofitting the house with a closed attic and possibly supplemental dehumidification of the attic space. The A/C systems may have to be redesigned since the attic now becomes semi-conditioned space. Testing has proven that a sealed attic doesn't raise the temperature of the roofing materials to a point which shortens their servicable life nor does it affect the manufacturers warranty. Hopefully, within the next couple of months I'll complete one of my many unfinished projects which is an article titled "Menopause Money and Mold" which deals with, among other concepts, how lowering the temperature below 74 degrees can cause the relative humidity within a space to rise exponentially. Well, that's my thoughts in thirty words or less. NORM SAGE

NEC Article 680.22(B)(1),(3),(4), & (5) spells it out. The NEC doesn't differentiate between low and high voltage Luminaires(lighting fixtures), these sections state no electrical fixtures may be placed within 5' of the pool unless they are at least 5' above the maximum water level, are rigidly attached to the existing structure and protected by a GFCI circuit. NORM SAGE

Great information. Thanks for your input and for taking the time to respond. NORM SAGE

Seems to me there was a thread regarding collecting inspection fees by way of credit cards some time ago and I can't find it. The number of out of town buyers who don't attend the inspection is increasing and so are the receivables. I'm considering participating in a credit card payment program. Anyone have experience with this, both good and bad, please let me know. NORM SAGE

In Florida the Statute of Limitations is three years for work performed without a contract and four years if there is an executed contract governing the work. Also in Florida state law requires a business to have an occupational license in the county and city where the physical office is located. Satellite offices are not required to have separate or additional licences. NORM SAGE

Our phone service package includes caller ID. The phones will store and save the numbers of the last 100 calls received. It's easy to compare the stored numbers with the ones you couldn't understand since all you need is a couple of the digits from the message to do this. This also happens when someone is calling from a cell phone and even though they don't speak rapidly there are voids in the transmission. NORM SAGE

Paul, What you're referring to as "plastic piping" is Dek-0-Drain. It's a hollow plastic channel about 1 1/2" wide and 4" deep placed in a concrete pool deck so as to provide surface water drainage to a remote area. In this case the bond wire which was attached to the wire mesh just happened to come up through the concrete next to the Dek-O-Drain after which it was run along the surface to the metal support column. Most of the time the conductor is bugged onto the column below the concrete surface and you have to run a continuity test to verify its presence. NORM SAGE

I must admit I've been lurking. I'm flattered to have been missed. NORM SAGE

Martin, The conductor in photo #4 which attaches to a vertical metal support column is a solid #8. I verified it myself at the time I took the photo. NORM SAGE

Actually they piggybacked the mold bill onto the HI bill at the last minute. The mold bill sponsors were convinced the HI bill would finally pass after over ten years of attempts. The easiest way to get a bill passed is to attach it to another one which looks like a sure thing. The sponsors of both bills are working on the latest versions which will be introduced in the next session of the legislature after the first of the year. No word yet whether piggybacking will occur again or if each will stand alone. NORM SAGE

At the outset it's important to understand there is no such thing as a minor crack. Mark is correct when he says it's a major problem. Cracks may be limited to the plaster coat or they may extend through the gunnite shell. It's impossible to tell the difference by a visual inspection. Assume the worst and you won't go wrong. If you're lucky enough to elicit a reliable history regarding the pool, specifically as to how often water needs to be added, this may help. I caution you not to rely entirely on this since the pool may be leaking from an entirely different source. As comfortable as I am with pools I never attempt to diagnose the cause or severity of cracks. I always defer to a licensed pool repair contractor. You observed the cracks, informed your client of their presence, and told them this is a serious condition which requires further evaluation by a specialist. Stop there and you will have served your client well. Try to go further and you're on a slippery downhill course. Having said the above I must admit curiosity does get the best of me and I usually ask my client to provide me with a copy of the repair contractor's report for my own edification. NORM SAGE

Ever notice the punched holes in the prongs of electrical plugs? Do these holes have a proper name? Why are they there and what are they supposed to do if anything? NORM SAGE

I'm at a loss. Never have seen that before and don't have a clue. I will discuss this with my contemporaries down here in the hopes that someone will have a viable explaination. Where there's smoke there's fire or so they say. Is this a 120 Volt light or is there a step down transformer present? NORM SAGE

Before addressing the question it's important to clearly understand the difference between grounding and bonding. Grounding provides a path for errant current to earth. Bonding, at least when it comes to swimming pools, effectively ties together all potentially conductive components of the system utilizing a #8 solid copper conductor. This creates an "equipotential grid" which prevents electrical potential gradients within the same system. Kind of like the little birds which walk along the hot rail of a transit system without being injured. Should a portion of the birds body simultaniously touch another conductive part of the system with a different voltage potential you have roasted bird. NEC Article 680.26 (B)(4) states "Metal parts of electrical equipment associated with the pool water circulating wystem.....shall be bonded. If the gas heater has a high voltage, low voltage, or photovoltage ighition system it is by definition "electrical equipment" and is required to be bonded. Now to muddy the waters a bit go to NEC Article 680(E) which states "For pool water heaters rated at more than 50 amperes and having specific instructions regarding bonding and grounding, only those parts designated to be bonded shall be bonded......". I think this section is intended for electric heat pump pool and spa heaters since I don't know of a gas heater ignition system of 50 amperes or greater. Further, it seems as though the manufacturers recommendations will determine exactly which components of the heater must be bonded. Now that I've read and re-read my comments I'm convinced the true definitive answer will come from the chief electrical code officer of the authority having jurisdiction. Ask five code compliance officials the same question and you'll likely get five different answers so why shouldn't I be vague and ambiguous? NORM SAGE

Mike, Where can I find the letter or statement issued by Prof. Josef Doumanov to read in it's entirety? NORM SAGE

According to Mike all one has to do is run a "google search" and they can find out what chat rooms you participate in. After that it's easy. Go to forums, click on members, click on the member you are interested in and the threads he/she has posted on are displayed. NORM SAGE

I would like to see a requirement for non-member visitors to register when they log onto the forum. I'm involved in a collection issue with a client who logged on and read a thread I started last fall titled "Am I Scared?". Some of you may remember it was an account of that which went on down here in S. Florida during and after the hurricanes. I had stated that following my family's safety the next priority was to provide electrical power for the beer keg. I also described my trip to the beach, with my wife, following the storms to watch the wind surfers some of which were scantlly clothed. This delusional woman downloaded the thread and forwarded it to my attorney along with an email in which she describes me as a "self-proclaimed drunk and pervert". She also sent me a letter in which she describes herself as "a beautiful, single mother....".She even went so far as to email a photo of herself and her children to my attorney to as she put it "this will put a face to the name" like my attorney could care less. As to her description of herself, believe me, she is a middle aged person of average appearance. At any rate we have filed a lien on her property which takes 4-6 weeks to record. Any suggestions regarding dealing with this deadbeat would be appreciated. If anyone has time on their hands and wants to have a laugh shoot me a PM and I'll provide you with this idiot's name, address, phone number, and email address. By the way I just fired up the generator to be sure we will have power for the cooler this hurricane season. NORM SAGE

The microprocessors in AFCI circuit breakers do produce heat. When the circuit breakers are stacked the temperature rises. I haven't been able to find an authority which states the breakers shouldn't be installed stacked nor have I found anything which addresses a temperature limit above which one should be concerned. In my house, which I built three years ago, I had the electrician seperate the AFCI breakers by at least two regular breakers. I have no hot spots on the dead front cover of my MDP's NORM SAGE

If you subcontract out your WDI (WDO in some states) inspections you can distance yourself somewhat from the liability by having the client make out a seperate check to the pest control firm for that part of the inspection. Here in the sub-tropics, where there are only two kinds of houses 1.Those which have termites and 2. Those which will get them, the state resolves these disputes upon request. If the state inspector determines there was no visable evidence of termites at the time of the original inspection the appearance of swammers is considered a subsequent event and the original inspector is off the hook. "NOOSE" NORM SAGE

Les, I never have been able to figure out how the NEC code-making panel 2 (the panel which addresses article 210) comes up with that which they do. Sometimes I think it's like throwing darts in the dark. From reading past issues of the NEC the only reason I can think of is that the receptacle is not "readily accessible". I guess that means you won't be likely to plug into the unprotected receptacle with an extension cord to power a weed wacker or other similar equipment. Just a guess though. NORM SAGE

Not required to be GFCI protected per Article 210.8 (B) see exceptions which refer to Article 426 of the NEC. NORM SAGE

NEC Article 210.8 B sets forth the required locations for GFCI protection. There is no mention of prohibited uses, therefore, I would say it's OK. NORM SAGE

The chattahoochie (spelling?) portion of the deck seems to have settled away from the pool shell and sandstone coping. There appears to be some differential settlement which creates a trip hazard. Since the deck isn't tied into the pool beam with re-bar I would guess the cracks don't radiate into the pool shell. Unless there is a leaking valve, O-ring, gasket, or pipe connection on the suction side of the water circulation system there shouldn't be air in the hair/leaf trap. There is one exception to the above. If a pool cleaner is in use there may be some air in the hair/leaf trap due to the fact that the cleaner hose connections are not air tight. The water level appears to be low. Typically the average water level is the mid-point of the tile boarder. Could be a leak. Could be normal evaporation. It doesn't appear that the top of the pool light is 18" below the average water level. Unless the fixture is specifically approved for installation closer to the water level this is a violation of the NEC. NORM SAGE

Keeping meat and dairy products seperate is not limited to practicing orthodos Jews. Anyone of the Jewish faith may elect to keep a home "Kosher". In a Kosher home not only are meat and dairy kept seperate but pork products are not allowed. I'm sure there are more parameters but I'm not familiar with them. I have been told the tradition regarding meat and dairy products goes way back in time to when tableware consisted largely of wooden plates and bowls. Dairy products would find their way into the cracks and pores of the wood and spoil. This would contaminate meat products which then came into contact with the affected plates. Simply put it is a health issue which became tradition. Growing up in a predominately Jewish neighborhood there was one thing which confused me. I had friends who kept a Kosher home but would consume pork products outside the home. I guess a Kosher home and a Kosher person are two seperate entities. I'm not sure. NORM SAGE