Speedy Petey
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NY Fire Underwriters to close in October
Speedy Petey replied to Tom Raymond's topic in Electrical Forum
Not just Western NYS, ALL of NYS. This is a BIG deal and is causing some grief already. I had four inspections I was going to call in the same day I heard from my local guy. He was nice enough to call all of his "regulars" and let them know. "The Board" itself, or should I say the higher-ups at The Board, did not have the common decency to let even their own inspectors know ahead of time, let alone give prior warning to the contractors that use them on a regular basis. The word was "Sorry. As of today we are not accepting any more applications.". Period. The hammer just fell and they didn't give a crap about anyone. [:-censore -
Some breakers come from the factory with grease in the stab area.
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Once again, I totally agree!
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This is just an easy knee-jerk comment about this subject. MOST electricians use MWBC's, and cost is rarely the main issue. There are several good reasons to use them. As has been stated, MWBC's in commercial work are the rule, not the exception. I could not agree more!
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Doesn't matter. See post #9.
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This is a cool thread. Very informative. [:-thumbu]
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To add, if the ONLY thing the gas pipe was supplying was a water heater for instance, with NO electrical connection, then yes, an external bond would be required.
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I never add an additional bond to gas lines. The gas piping is bonded via the circuit ground run to gas appliances. This is expressly described in the NEC as well.
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Code Ref. - Bonding jumpers on HVAC needed
Speedy Petey replied to Kyle Kubs's topic in Electrical Forum
It's absolutely required by the NEC and by the CSST manufacturers. - Jim Katen, Oregon True, but it is rare, if ever, that an additional external bond must be run. The circuit ground of the appliance the gas piping is feeding is what is bonding the pipe. -
In my area they certainly are since they are customer owned and supplied.
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How in the world do you figure this? The requirement is for outlets on branch circuits. A service or panel replacement is NOT installing branch circuits. IMO there is absolutely NO indication that the AFCI requirements are retroactive nor do they apply to a service change. GFIs are the same thing. There is NO requirement to install them at the time of a service change. True, GFIs are a good idea and are a good upgrade at this time, but there is nothing making it mandatory. The installer and "local enforcement guru's" are correct on this.
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With the exception of #4, NONE of these things would cause a breaker to explode.In fact#2 is not even correct. A pool DOES NOT need a ground rod. A pool does NOT get grounded. It gets bonded and a ground rod only adds to the items to be bonded. Also, a ground rod does NOT actually "ground" anything in the way of a safety ground. They serve a totally different purpose. I suspect a bad panel and breakers. That is almost certainly the cause.
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And he's a grammar expert as well. He caught my one (semi)mistake in 1000 posts. He MUST be good. [:-slaphap Hey swamp, I like to use "ripe" in that instance as well. I feel it's just as fitting. You can correct me all you want if it makes you feel better about yourself.
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Yeah, jobs done by handymen, homeowners and hacks. I too have seen my share of poor work done by so called electricians. Some of it by "real" electricians (that 5% I mentioned earlier), most of it by some handyman who says he does "light electrical" work, yet the homeowner still calls him an electrician. Your "booby-trap" comment was still way out of line. Unless of course your area is ripe with hacks. In that case I pity you.
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You CANNOT be ****ing serious. [!] I strongly suggest you read the first sentence in post #10. This post is a flat out insult to the 95% of us REAL electricians who give a crap about our profession!
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Ummm.....fuses. Seriously, that is a fused disconnect. It would seem this IS the service disconnect. How far is it from the meter?
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OK hold it! Looking at it again I see that I am totally wrong about Joe's panel. I only looked at that pic once and quick and saw those little watt meters. I never noticed that they were actual breakers. Sorry guys. Like I said though, I have seen pre-wired panels like this where each circuit has a hot AND a neutral tail that gets spliced into the main panel's circuits. There are two hots, a ground AND a neutral that feed the generator panel. I just did a customer supplied Generac unit that was this way.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with automatic or manual. It has to do with how they are wired. A "Gen-Tran" type panel is a fixed wired panel. You cannot add circuits or change the sizes of the existing circuits. Also, the breakers in the existing panel are being used. The little plunger breakers in the transfer panel are ONLY for when the circuit is on the "GEN" setting. The panel in the OP's situation IS a sub panel with it's OWN branch circuit breakers.
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Sounds extremely wrong to me. Extremely unsafe as well. Sorry, I can't help you with the pic, although it would be good to see.
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It is certainly NOT wired the same way. What you have is a "Gen-Tran" type panel. The circuits are fixed and that is NOT a sub-panel. What the OP has IS a sub-panel, and the neutrals of the circuit MUST originate from the same panel as the circuit conductors.
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Such as ???
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It certainly IS a violation, only I don't have time to look it up right now. Even panels that come with generators and have leads to splice the branch circuit have both hot and neutral leads for each circuit.
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Code Ref. - Bonding jumpers on HVAC needed
Speedy Petey replied to Kyle Kubs's topic in Electrical Forum
Obviously you do. [] I don't know about you, but I do NOT consider duct work "likely to become energized". Possible? Sure. Likely? Not so much. No more than ANY other metal object in a home or commercial establishment. If bonding of duct work were considered mandatory there would be NO reason for 250.104(B) FPN. -
Looks like LFMC to me. The NM stuff is pretty obvious looking IMO.
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