Speedy Petey

This is a very common occurrence. It is especially prevalent in homes with electric baseboard heat for some reason. Tobacco and candle use are the two biggest contributors. It can happen even without them though. https://www.google.com/search?q=black+s ... 80&bih=918

None feet. It is an urban legend code that any electrical needs to be a certain distance away from a "water source". Water source is not a term you'll find in the NEC or any other electrical code I am aware of. That image is one of a crazy stupid blatant code violation, but it has nothing to do with water.

NO WAY. I thought there was another connector hidden out of sight. You meant to tell me they have the two whites AND the two grounds in the same 4-port connector?? BIG no-no. So then yes, that is one huge f-up. No box, and neutrals spliced with grounds. Amazing in a new home. [:-yuck]

No, they are not individual conductors, because you cannot strip the sheathing from NM and use the conductors individually. Not and be code complaint anyway.

Personally I don't see any reason to do this. Once you know what breakers will accept two wires you should be able to identify them easily. Basically it's ALL "newer" Sqd QO and ALL HOM 15-30A, and pretty much all C-H CH 15-30A, excepting some really old ones. Not much else will legally accept two conductors.

WOW! THere is SO much wrong here it's not funny. A) The is NOT a ground, it is the service neutral. It can be spliced, but it MUST be insulated in this application. Tape would be acceptable, but an insulated splice or crimp would be best. B) THAT PIPE! WTF? Completely illegal and I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish with that bond clamp. Maybe since the pipe is just stuck into the panel through a KO they figured that was a way to bond it. I'd call it out as a highly non-complaint installation and refer it to a pro.

That is not a CH series, it is a BR series. Both Cutler Hammer brand, but both completely different.Those are not rated for two conductors.

When I go out to my truck I'll take a pic of a C-H CH breaker for you. My reference is that I know it from experience. Look at the catalogue. The CH115 breakers are the only Cutler Hammer breakers that can accept two wires. They have this information molded onto the side of the case. The double-tapped breakers in the original post are not CH115 breakers. Download Attachment: CHbreakers Catalogue Page.jpg 92.26?KB You are reading that catalog page wrong. Those wire specs are for ALL the breakers in that size range; 10-30A. NOT just for 15A.See how the box you highlighted is as big as all the breaker size in that section? I don't need those threads for this information. Thanks though.

When I go out to my truck I'll take a pic of a C-H CH breaker for you. My reference is that I know it from experience.

That is a split buss panel with four POTENTIAL main breakers. Two of which are in place.

That is a split buss panel with four main breakers. Two of which are in place.

Kurt, you are trying to justify your situation by saying "I live in a big city. This is how things are here, so deal with it." It is you who should accept the nationally recognized terms and technicalities. You can have all the local lingo you want, but that does not change the fact that most other places might be different. This is not to say you should try and change your area's slang, but it is to say you should NOT try and say others outside your area should embrace an incorrect term. Also, if something is required in your area specifically I feel this should be noted. To say something is required, then to say "First, in Chicago, it's always required; we have different rules here. " is not very productive to anyone outside your area. One should be careful when stating codes that are notionally or universally recognized.

What if you know that it is complaint? Such as this case? Sorry, I disagree.

Another typical bullshit law suit by a shyster lawyer. Little wimp probably got made fun of in grade school so he is taking it out on everyone now.

Yes. Really. Once again, this is stupid, but NOT a violation.

Yes, other than the fact that a ground rod is always required when a feeder is run to a detached structure. You need to break from the thinking that ground rods have anything to do with the circuit or feeder grounds. They do not. They serve a completely different purpose.

Ummm, yes. In my opinion and interpretation at least, and pretty much every inspector I have ever encountered. Like you said, it is very easy to interpret it this way. And I agree, there is no reason a detached residential garage should be ruled any different than an attached one.

If the breakers move side-to-side, including the main, then there is NO such thing as "upside down". [:-thumbu]

Even though you don't consider this a "dwelling structure", it still falls under the electrical codes for "dwelling units". For reference, just look at 210.8 of the NEC, the requirements for GFI protection. Here is the section in exact text. Garages and accessory buildings fall under the "Dwelling units" category. (A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and 20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in (1) through ( shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter protection for personnel. (2) Garages, and also accessory buildings that have a floor located at or below grade level not intended as habitable rooms and limited to storage areas, work areas, and areas of similar use So in the eyes of the NEC a residential garage or accessory building to a dwelling is still a dwelling structure.

You know, I just re-read it about four times and I see how he worded it. I knew what he meant, I t just seemed weird how it was written. []

Yes, if the service disconnect is outside then the bond screw must be removed, the neutrals isolated from ground, and the water bond be brought to the service disconnect.

??? If this asking what I think it is then I agree. No derating is necessary. Are you asking what we think you are???

There is NO WAY you are going to back this up with the NEC, because it is NOT there. And luckily my local AHJ's are not the same as yours. You are in Chicago. We all know Chicago lives by it's own rules. There is NO NEC rule, present or proposed, that disallows #14 for general receptacle circuits. The replies from Jim, Chad, hausdok, and others are completely correct. There is nothing wrong with receptacles on 15A circuits. The arguments you present simply don't hold water.

Could be, but I have seen and have de-ox that is clear and grease-like, just like what you'd see on a breaker. I'll have to check. If I find out for sure I'll post it. I only do this with aluminum busses in outdoor panels or where the panel is in a high humidity environment.

Mostly yes, but there are some places that had only approved the Board to do inspections. Then there are those of us that by choice used the Board exclusively.Now we are scrambling to find a suitable substitute. Nope. Not typically. I have heard there are some municipalities that do have local inspectors, but this is by far the exception rather than the rule.